Thread: New D:\ drive ATAPI incompatible???

Molly <mollys@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in news:42f077be$0$345
$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com:

> Hi, Further to my previous questions about installing Win XP on a D:\
> Drive, I have bought a 2nd hand drive from Ebay (which looks fine). My
> present C:\ drive is IDE and the new one is a Maxtor 40Gb (Fireball 3
> ATA/133) which the advert said is also IDE. However, I have a few
> problems. 1) The spare connector on my machine (to make the new drive
a
> primary slave) seems to fit both ways round. Is this correct?

You can only connect in one way. On the connector there's an arrow in one
of the corners. This marks pin #1. On the disk pin #1 should be marked
also. (Mostly by a small '1' somewhere). Of course pin #1 should be
connected to hole #1.

> 2)Now I
> discover I don't have a spare power supply. If my new drive is
connected
> to the same ribbon as my C:\ drive, do I need a separate power supply?
> And is it easy to install one?

You'll need to attach the drive to the power supply. When you don't have
anny power connectors free, you can use a splitter.

> 3)When I connected it up and attached
> the power supply from a DVD drive that is no longer working, I got the
> message "ATAPI Incompatible" and everything shut down. What is this? Is
> it because I should not be using the power supply from the old DVD
> drive, or does it mean my new drive just will not go in my machine, or
> do I have to mess with jumper settings etc.

The slave drive should be jumpered slave. It is recommended to have the
master on the last connector on the cable, and the slave in the middle.
You can also try to connect the drive to the 2nd IDE channel.

> 4)When connected the other
> way round I got a message Windows needed to be shut down as a
Protection
> error. Would anyone be kind enough to tell me where I am going wrong,
or
> have I ignorantly just bought a drive I shouldn't?? My machine is a
5yr
> old Tiny 660mhz with a Microstar 6183 motherboard.

Maybe your flat cable isn't good enough for ATA133. Count the wires, a
drive faster than ATA33 should have a 80 wire cable, while older disks
use a 40 wire cable. The connectors are identical.

I have made sure the drive is now jumpered correctly - it wasn't before.
The red strip on the connector is closest to the power input (apparently
this is corect), and I am still using the defunct DVD power input. My
main C: drive is on the end connector. I can't count the wires - the
connector has 40 pins, the ribbon is grey with all 3 connectors black,
not blue, grye and black.Now the computer fires up, but only after
reporting "ATAPI incompatible. Press F1 to Resume". It then does not
se the new drive when all else as normal. Thanks for your help - any
further ideas?? Also where would I get a power supply splitter?


Ingeborg wrote:

>Molly <mollys@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in news:42f077be$0$345
>$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com:
>
>
>
>>Hi, Further to my previous questions about installing Win XP on a D:\
>>Drive, I have bought a 2nd hand drive from Ebay (which looks fine). My
>>present C:\ drive is IDE and the new one is a Maxtor 40Gb (Fireball 3
>>ATA/133) which the advert said is also IDE. However, I have a few
>>problems. 1) The spare connector on my machine (to make the new drive
>>
>>
>a
>
>
>>primary slave) seems to fit both ways round. Is this correct?
>>
>>
>
>You can only connect in one way. On the connector there's an arrow in one
>of the corners. This marks pin #1. On the disk pin #1 should be marked
>also. (Mostly by a small '1' somewhere). Of course pin #1 should be
>connected to hole #1.
>
>
>
>> 2)Now I
>>discover I don't have a spare power supply. If my new drive is
>>
>>
>connected
>
>
>>to the same ribbon as my C:\ drive, do I need a separate power supply?
>>And is it easy to install one?
>>
>>
>
>You'll need to attach the drive to the power supply. When you don't have
>anny power connectors free, you can use a splitter.
>
>
>
>>3)When I connected it up and attached
>>the power supply from a DVD drive that is no longer working, I got the
>>message "ATAPI Incompatible" and everything shut down. What is this? Is
>>it because I should not be using the power supply from the old DVD
>>drive, or does it mean my new drive just will not go in my machine, or
>>do I have to mess with jumper settings etc.
>>
>>
>
>The slave drive should be jumpered slave. It is recommended to have the
>master on the last connector on the cable, and the slave in the middle.
>You can also try to connect the drive to the 2nd IDE channel.
>
>
>
>>4)When connected the other
>>way round I got a message Windows needed to be shut down as a
>>
>>
>Protection
>
>
>>error. Would anyone be kind enough to tell me where I am going wrong,
>>
>>
>or
>
>
>>have I ignorantly just bought a drive I shouldn't?? My machine is a
>>
>>
>5yr
>
>
>>old Tiny 660mhz with a Microstar 6183 motherboard.
>>
>>
>
>Maybe your flat cable isn't good enough for ATA133. Count the wires, a
>drive faster than ATA33 should have a 80 wire cable, while older disks
>use a 40 wire cable. The connectors are identical.
>
>

Further to last post, I have found that my original drive is UDMA66
supported (so presumably system is). It is ATA66 Interface type, and
therefore 80 wires (??) My CMOS now sees the slave but on boot I now get
a message "....S.M.A.R.T. Status BAD, Backup and replace. Press F1 to
Resume". Would I be right now in assuming a faulty HD? Thanks again.


Molly wrote:

> I have made sure the drive is now jumpered correctly - it wasn't
> before. The red strip on the connector is closest to the power input
> (apparently this is corect), and I am still using the defunct DVD
> power input. My main C: drive is on the end connector. I can't count
> the wires - the connector has 40 pins, the ribbon is grey with all 3
> connectors black, not blue, grye and black.Now the computer fires up,
> but only after reporting "ATAPI incompatible. Press F1 to Resume".
> It then does not se the new drive when all else as normal. Thanks for
> your help - any further ideas?? Also where would I get a power supply
> splitter?
>
>
> Ingeborg wrote:
>
>> Molly <mollys@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in news:42f077be$0$345
>> $cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi, Further to my previous questions about installing Win XP on a
>>> D:\ Drive, I have bought a 2nd hand drive from Ebay (which looks
>>> fine). My present C:\ drive is IDE and the new one is a Maxtor 40Gb
>>> (Fireball 3 ATA/133) which the advert said is also IDE. However, I
>>> have a few problems. 1) The spare connector on my machine (to make
>>> the new drive
>>
>> a
>>
>>> primary slave) seems to fit both ways round. Is this correct?
>>
>>
>> You can only connect in one way. On the connector there's an arrow in
>> one of the corners. This marks pin #1. On the disk pin #1 should be
>> marked also. (Mostly by a small '1' somewhere). Of course pin #1
>> should be connected to hole #1.
>>
>>
>>
>>> 2)Now I discover I don't have a spare power supply. If my new drive
>>> is
>>
>> connected
>>
>>> to the same ribbon as my C:\ drive, do I need a separate power
>>> supply? And is it easy to install one?
>>
>>
>> You'll need to attach the drive to the power supply. When you don't
>> have anny power connectors free, you can use a splitter.
>>
>>
>>
>>> 3)When I connected it up and attached the power supply from a DVD
>>> drive that is no longer working, I got the message "ATAPI
>>> Incompatible" and everything shut down. What is this? Is it because
>>> I should not be using the power supply from the old DVD drive, or
>>> does it mean my new drive just will not go in my machine, or do I
>>> have to mess with jumper settings etc.
>>
>>
>> The slave drive should be jumpered slave. It is recommended to have
>> the master on the last connector on the cable, and the slave in the
>> middle.
>> You can also try to connect the drive to the 2nd IDE channel.
>>
>>
>>
>>> 4)When connected the other way round I got a message Windows needed
>>> to be shut down as a
>>
>> Protection
>>
>>> error. Would anyone be kind enough to tell me where I am going
>>> wrong,
>>
>> or
>>
>>> have I ignorantly just bought a drive I shouldn't?? My machine is a
>>
>> 5yr
>>
>>> old Tiny 660mhz with a Microstar 6183 motherboard.
>>
>>
>> Maybe your flat cable isn't good enough for ATA133. Count the wires,
>> a drive faster than ATA33 should have a 80 wire cable, while older
>> disks use a 40 wire cable. The connectors are identical.
>>
>>

Sorry! Rich = Molly. 2 people on same computer.

Molly wrote:

> I have made sure the drive is now jumpered correctly - it wasn't
> before. The red strip on the connector is closest to the power input
> (apparently this is corect), and I am still using the defunct DVD
> power input. My main C: drive is on the end connector. I can't count
> the wires - the connector has 40 pins, the ribbon is grey with all 3
> connectors black, not blue, grye and black.Now the computer fires up,
> but only after reporting "ATAPI incompatible. Press F1 to Resume".
> It then does not se the new drive when all else as normal. Thanks for
> your help - any further ideas?? Also where would I get a power supply
> splitter?
>
>
> Ingeborg wrote:
>
>> Molly <mollys@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in news:42f077be$0$345
>> $cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi, Further to my previous questions about installing Win XP on a
>>> D:\ Drive, I have bought a 2nd hand drive from Ebay (which looks
>>> fine). My present C:\ drive is IDE and the new one is a Maxtor 40Gb
>>> (Fireball 3 ATA/133) which the advert said is also IDE. However, I
>>> have a few problems. 1) The spare connector on my machine (to make
>>> the new drive
>>
>> a
>>
>>> primary slave) seems to fit both ways round. Is this correct?
>>
>>
>> You can only connect in one way. On the connector there's an arrow in
>> one of the corners. This marks pin #1. On the disk pin #1 should be
>> marked also. (Mostly by a small '1' somewhere). Of course pin #1
>> should be connected to hole #1.
>>
>>
>>
>>> 2)Now I discover I don't have a spare power supply. If my new drive
>>> is
>>
>> connected
>>
>>> to the same ribbon as my C:\ drive, do I need a separate power
>>> supply? And is it easy to install one?
>>
>>
>> You'll need to attach the drive to the power supply. When you don't
>> have anny power connectors free, you can use a splitter.
>>
>>
>>
>>> 3)When I connected it up and attached the power supply from a DVD
>>> drive that is no longer working, I got the message "ATAPI
>>> Incompatible" and everything shut down. What is this? Is it because
>>> I should not be using the power supply from the old DVD drive, or
>>> does it mean my new drive just will not go in my machine, or do I
>>> have to mess with jumper settings etc.
>>
>>
>> The slave drive should be jumpered slave. It is recommended to have
>> the master on the last connector on the cable, and the slave in the
>> middle.
>> You can also try to connect the drive to the 2nd IDE channel.
>>
>>
>>
>>> 4)When connected the other way round I got a message Windows needed
>>> to be shut down as a
>>
>> Protection
>>
>>> error. Would anyone be kind enough to tell me where I am going
>>> wrong,
>>
>> or
>>
>>> have I ignorantly just bought a drive I shouldn't?? My machine is a
>>
>> 5yr
>>
>>> old Tiny 660mhz with a Microstar 6183 motherboard.
>>
>>
>> Maybe your flat cable isn't good enough for ATA133. Count the wires,
>> a drive faster than ATA33 should have a 80 wire cable, while older
>> disks use a 40 wire cable. The connectors are identical.
>>
>>

On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 12:18:15 +0100 As Androids Dreamed Of Electric
Sheep and then Rich <rsully@dsl.pipex.com> wrote :

>Further to last post, I have found that my original drive is UDMA66
>supported (so presumably system is). It is ATA66 Interface type, and
>therefore 80 wires (??) My CMOS now sees the slave but on boot I now get
>a message "....S.M.A.R.T. Status BAD, Backup and replace. Press F1 to
>Resume". Would I be right now in assuming a faulty HD? Thanks again.

No.Read through here,
http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/hard.html



--
Free Windows/PC help,
http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/trouble.html

I read your page and found much of help. However I'm still in the dark.
My system supports UDMA66 and is an ATA66 interface. The old drive is
17Gb IDE internal. My new drive is 40Gb, ATA133 IDE internal. It has
been (apparently) formatted with an NTFS partition, and tested before
sale. This seems to me to be compatible and should be recognised when
fired up. However, even though my CMOS reports it correctly as primary
slave and right size etc, I keep getting "S.M.A.R.T. Status: BAD" on
boot up, and no recognition in Explorer.exe. I am sure jumpers are
correct, all connected OK, and even though I went through your page and
some links I still can't see any other answer than that I've bought a
dud! Is there something obvious I'm missing?? Thanks again.

Shep© wrote:

>On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 12:18:15 +0100 As Androids Dreamed Of Electric
>Sheep and then Rich <rsully@dsl.pipex.com> wrote :
>
>
>
>>Further to last post, I have found that my original drive is UDMA66
>>supported (so presumably system is). It is ATA66 Interface type, and
>>therefore 80 wires (??) My CMOS now sees the slave but on boot I now get
>>a message "....S.M.A.R.T. Status BAD, Backup and replace. Press F1 to
>>Resume". Would I be right now in assuming a faulty HD? Thanks again.
>>
>>
>
>No.Read through here,
>http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/hard.html
>
>
>
>
>

On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 22:25:56 +0100 As Androids Dreamed Of Electric
Sheep and then Molly <mollys@dsl.pipex.com> wrote :

>I read your page and found much of help. However I'm still in the dark.
>My system supports UDMA66 and is an ATA66 interface. The old drive is
>17Gb IDE internal. My new drive is 40Gb, ATA133 IDE internal. It has
>been (apparently) formatted with an NTFS partition, and tested before
>sale. This seems to me to be compatible and should be recognised when
>fired up. However, even though my CMOS reports it correctly as primary
>slave and right size etc, I keep getting "S.M.A.R.T. Status: BAD" on
>boot up, and no recognition in Explorer.exe. I am sure jumpers are
>correct, all connected OK, and even though I went through your page and
>some links I still can't see any other answer than that I've bought a
>dud! Is there something obvious I'm missing?? Thanks again.

Yes.Win98 does not support the NTFS file system.
No biggy.
I take it you have a CDR/W burner?
If so download and burn this .ISO,
http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/bootd.zip
See the help files of your burning software on how to burn an .ISO
image.
It's a special customized Win98 boot floppy as a CD disk.

But before I go further I'll just explain something else.There are
basically 2 stages when you boot up your PC.The 1st stage is the
mother board checking and seeing the hardware,then there's the
operating system that gets loaded.

The mother board may see the hardware but then the O/S may not.

When you boot up you can pause the startup screens using
you,"Keyboard" Pause key.

Is the new hard drive you have bought being reported on any of these
screens?

(Press the Enter key to un-pause and the pause key again to stop).



--
Free Windows/PC help,
http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/trouble.html

Shep - Thanks for your help. Actually, I don't have a burner at present
- that is the defunct drive whose power input I have taken for the new
HD! But I am glad the problem is resolvable. Is there another method of
obtaining this file, like a straight download that means I do not need a
burner? What exactly does this file do - somehow enable Win98 (SE) to
see the new HD, or take away the necessity? As regards boot up, Yes the
new drive is reported when the screen is paused and is the same as the
CMOS setup. It is when, as you say, the OS kicks in, that S.M.A.R.T.
(what is this??) reports the status "Bad", and suggests replacing. Just
one final thing - the reason I got the new HD is because I wanted to
install WinXP on the system, and my 17GB old C: drive is nearly full.
So I was going to put XP on the D: drive (new one). I suppose it is
therefore obvious (?) that I can't do this under Win98SE while it has
the NTFS file system, but neither could I re-format it while I can't see
it. There's a lot to learn!! Your continued help is very much
appreciated - for one it has prevented me from giving the guy I bought
it off too hard a time. Thanks again.

Shep© wrote:

>On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 22:25:56 +0100 As Androids Dreamed Of Electric
>Sheep and then Molly <mollys@dsl.pipex.com> wrote :
>
>
>
>>I read your page and found much of help. However I'm still in the dark.
>>My system supports UDMA66 and is an ATA66 interface. The old drive is
>>17Gb IDE internal. My new drive is 40Gb, ATA133 IDE internal. It has
>>been (apparently) formatted with an NTFS partition, and tested before
>>sale. This seems to me to be compatible and should be recognised when
>>fired up. However, even though my CMOS reports it correctly as primary
>>slave and right size etc, I keep getting "S.M.A.R.T. Status: BAD" on
>>boot up, and no recognition in Explorer.exe. I am sure jumpers are
>>correct, all connected OK, and even though I went through your page and
>>some links I still can't see any other answer than that I've bought a
>>dud! Is there something obvious I'm missing?? Thanks again.
>>
>>
>
>Yes.Win98 does not support the NTFS file system.
>No biggy.
>I take it you have a CDR/W burner?
>If so download and burn this .ISO,
>http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/bootd.zip
>See the help files of your burning software on how to burn an .ISO
>image.
>It's a special customized Win98 boot floppy as a CD disk.
>
>But before I go further I'll just explain something else.There are
>basically 2 stages when you boot up your PC.The 1st stage is the
>mother board checking and seeing the hardware,then there's the
>operating system that gets loaded.
>
>The mother board may see the hardware but then the O/S may not.
>
>When you boot up you can pause the startup screens using
>you,"Keyboard" Pause key.
>
>Is the new hard drive you have bought being reported on any of these
>screens?
>
>(Press the Enter key to un-pause and the pause key again to stop).
>
>
>
>
>

Molly wrote:
> Shep - Thanks for your help. Actually, I don't have a burner at present
> - that is the defunct drive whose power input I have taken for the new
> HD! But I am glad the problem is resolvable. Is there another method of
> obtaining this file, like a straight download that means I do not need a
> burner? What exactly does this file do - somehow enable Win98 (SE) to
> see the new HD, or take away the necessity? As regards boot up, Yes the
> new drive is reported when the screen is paused and is the same as the
> CMOS setup. It is when, as you say, the OS kicks in, that S.M.A.R.T.
> (what is this??) reports the status "Bad", and suggests replacing. Just
> one final thing - the reason I got the new HD is because I wanted to
> install WinXP on the system, and my 17GB old C: drive is nearly full.
> So I was going to put XP on the D: drive (new one). I suppose it is
> therefore obvious (?) that I can't do this under Win98SE while it has
> the NTFS file system, but neither could I re-format it while I can't see
> it. There's a lot to learn!! Your continued help is very much
> appreciated - for one it has prevented me from giving the guy I bought
> it off too hard a time. Thanks again.
>
> Shep© wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 22:25:56 +0100 As Androids Dreamed Of Electric
>> Sheep and then Molly <mollys@dsl.pipex.com> wrote :
>>
>>
>>
>>> I read your page and found much of help. However I'm still in the
>>> dark. My system supports UDMA66 and is an ATA66 interface. The old
>>> drive is 17Gb IDE internal. My new drive is 40Gb, ATA133 IDE
>>> internal. It has been (apparently) formatted with an NTFS partition,
>>> and tested before sale. This seems to me to be compatible and should
>>> be recognised when fired up. However, even though my CMOS reports it
>>> correctly as primary slave and right size etc, I keep getting
>>> "S.M.A.R.T. Status: BAD" on boot up, and no recognition in
>>> Explorer.exe. I am sure jumpers are correct, all connected OK, and
>>> even though I went through your page and some links I still can't see
>>> any other answer than that I've bought a dud! Is there something
>>> obvious I'm missing?? Thanks again.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yes.Win98 does not support the NTFS file system.
>> No biggy.
>> I take it you have a CDR/W burner?
>> If so download and burn this .ISO,
>> http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/bootd.zip
>> See the help files of your burning software on how to burn an .ISO
>> image.
>> It's a special customized Win98 boot floppy as a CD disk.
>>
>> But before I go further I'll just explain something else.There are
>> basically 2 stages when you boot up your PC.The 1st stage is the
>> mother board checking and seeing the hardware,then there's the
>> operating system that gets loaded.
>>
>> The mother board may see the hardware but then the O/S may not.
>>
>> When you boot up you can pause the startup screens using
>> you,"Keyboard" Pause key.
>>
>> Is the new hard drive you have bought being reported on any of these
>> screens?
>>
>> (Press the Enter key to un-pause and the pause key again to stop).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

S.M.A.R.T. stands for Self-Monitoring Analysis and Reporting
Technology. S.M.A.R.T. technology was developed by a number of major
hard disk drive manufacturers in a concerted effort to increase the
reliability of drives. It is a technology that enables the PC to predict
the future failure of hard disk drives. S.M.A.R.T. technology has become
an industry standard for hard drive manufacturers.

Through the S.M.A.R.T. system, modern hard disk drives incorporate a
suite of advanced diagnostics that monitor the internal operations of a
drive and provide an early warning for many types of potential problems.
When a potential problem is detected, the drive can be repaired or
replaced before any data is lost or damaged.

The S.M.A.R.T. system monitors the drive for anything that might seem
out of the ordinary, documents it, and analyzes the data. If it sees
something that indicates a problem, it is capable of notifying the user
(or system administrator). S.M.A.R.T. monitors disk performance, faulty
sectors, recalibration, CRC errors, drive spin-up time, drive heads,
distance between the heads and the disk platters, drive temperature, and
characteristics of the media, motor and servomechanisms. The errors the
system can detect can be predicted by a number of methods. Currently the
SMART system can detect about 70% of all hard drive errors.

Here's an example: motor and/or bearing failure can be predicted by an
increase in the drive spin-up time and the number of retries it takes to
get the drive spinning at full speed. Or, if the drive notes that error
correction is being needed excessively, it can attribute this to a
broken drive head or surface contamination, and it will create an alert
before the problem gets worse. Armed with a prediction of failure, the
user or system administrator can make a backup copy of key data, replace
a suspect device prior to data loss, and avoid undesired downtime.

Grim

Would SMART see my drive as having a (potential) error *because* it is
NTFS formatted and the system is running Win98SE, or does it mean that
regardless of that fact, the disk is (or could shortly be) faulty??

Grim wrote:

> Molly wrote:
>
>> Shep - Thanks for your help. Actually, I don't have a burner at
>> present - that is the defunct drive whose power input I have taken
>> for the new HD! But I am glad the problem is resolvable. Is there
>> another method of obtaining this file, like a straight download that
>> means I do not need a burner? What exactly does this file do -
>> somehow enable Win98 (SE) to see the new HD, or take away the
>> necessity? As regards boot up, Yes the new drive is reported when
>> the screen is paused and is the same as the CMOS setup. It is when,
>> as you say, the OS kicks in, that S.M.A.R.T. (what is this??) reports
>> the status "Bad", and suggests replacing. Just one final thing - the
>> reason I got the new HD is because I wanted to install WinXP on the
>> system, and my 17GB old C: drive is nearly full. So I was going to
>> put XP on the D: drive (new one). I suppose it is therefore obvious
>> (?) that I can't do this under Win98SE while it has the NTFS file
>> system, but neither could I re-format it while I can't see it.
>> There's a lot to learn!! Your continued help is very much
>> appreciated - for one it has prevented me from giving the guy I
>> bought it off too hard a time. Thanks again.
>>
>> Shep© wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 22:25:56 +0100 As Androids Dreamed Of Electric
>>> Sheep and then Molly <mollys@dsl.pipex.com> wrote :
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I read your page and found much of help. However I'm still in the
>>>> dark. My system supports UDMA66 and is an ATA66 interface. The old
>>>> drive is 17Gb IDE internal. My new drive is 40Gb, ATA133 IDE
>>>> internal. It has been (apparently) formatted with an NTFS
>>>> partition, and tested before sale. This seems to me to be
>>>> compatible and should be recognised when fired up. However, even
>>>> though my CMOS reports it correctly as primary slave and right size
>>>> etc, I keep getting "S.M.A.R.T. Status: BAD" on boot up, and no
>>>> recognition in Explorer.exe. I am sure jumpers are correct, all
>>>> connected OK, and even though I went through your page and some
>>>> links I still can't see any other answer than that I've bought a
>>>> dud! Is there something obvious I'm missing?? Thanks again.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes.Win98 does not support the NTFS file system.
>>> No biggy.
>>> I take it you have a CDR/W burner?
>>> If so download and burn this .ISO,
>>> http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/bootd.zip
>>> See the help files of your burning software on how to burn an .ISO
>>> image.
>>> It's a special customized Win98 boot floppy as a CD disk.
>>>
>>> But before I go further I'll just explain something else.There are
>>> basically 2 stages when you boot up your PC.The 1st stage is the
>>> mother board checking and seeing the hardware,then there's the
>>> operating system that gets loaded.
>>>
>>> The mother board may see the hardware but then the O/S may not.
>>>
>>> When you boot up you can pause the startup screens using
>>> you,"Keyboard" Pause key.
>>>
>>> Is the new hard drive you have bought being reported on any of these
>>> screens?
>>>
>>> (Press the Enter key to un-pause and the pause key again to stop).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
> S.M.A.R.T. stands for Self-Monitoring Analysis and Reporting
> Technology. S.M.A.R.T. technology was developed by a number of major
> hard disk drive manufacturers in a concerted effort to increase the
> reliability of drives. It is a technology that enables the PC to
> predict the future failure of hard disk drives. S.M.A.R.T. technology
> has become an industry standard for hard drive manufacturers.
>
> Through the S.M.A.R.T. system, modern hard disk drives incorporate a
> suite of advanced diagnostics that monitor the internal operations of
> a drive and provide an early warning for many types of potential
> problems. When a potential problem is detected, the drive can be
> repaired or replaced before any data is lost or damaged.
>
> The S.M.A.R.T. system monitors the drive for anything that might seem
> out of the ordinary, documents it, and analyzes the data. If it sees
> something that indicates a problem, it is capable of notifying the
> user (or system administrator). S.M.A.R.T. monitors disk performance,
> faulty sectors, recalibration, CRC errors, drive spin-up time, drive
> heads, distance between the heads and the disk platters, drive
> temperature, and characteristics of the media, motor and
> servomechanisms. The errors the system can detect can be predicted by
> a number of methods. Currently the SMART system can detect about 70%
> of all hard drive errors.
>
> Here's an example: motor and/or bearing failure can be predicted by an
> increase in the drive spin-up time and the number of retries it takes
> to get the drive spinning at full speed. Or, if the drive notes that
> error correction is being needed excessively, it can attribute this to
> a broken drive head or surface contamination, and it will create an
> alert before the problem gets worse. Armed with a prediction of
> failure, the user or system administrator can make a backup copy of
> key data, replace a suspect device prior to data loss, and avoid
> undesired downtime.
>
> Grim

On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 08:51:29 +0100 As Androids Dreamed Of Electric
Sheep and then Molly <mollys@dsl.pipex.com> wrote :

>Shep - Thanks for your help. Actually, I don't have a burner at present
>- that is the defunct drive whose power input I have taken for the new
>HD! But I am glad the problem is resolvable. Is there another method of
>obtaining this file, like a straight download that means I do not need a
>burner? What exactly does this file do -

You can make your own good boot floppy and add aefdisk to it.This is
the program you require,
http://www.bootdisk.com

then when you boot to it you issue the command
aefdisk \delall

This will remove ALL partitions.Then you can remake the FAT32(Enable
Large Disk Support) when prompted partition required for Win98/SE.
Then you can re-format and re-install windows correctly.Info here,
http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/hard.html



--
Free Windows/PC help,
http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/trouble.html

Download and run Powermax. It will create a bootable floppy for
diagnosing problems with the drive.

http://downloads.maxtor.com/_files/m...s/powermax.exe

Ben

"Molly" <mollys@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message news:42f077be$0$345$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com.. .
> Hi, Further to my previous questions about installing Win XP on a D:\
> Drive, I have bought a 2nd hand drive from Ebay (which looks fine). My
> present C:\ drive is IDE and the new one is a Maxtor 40Gb (Fireball 3
> ATA/133) which the advert said is also IDE. However, I have a few
> problems. 1) The spare connector on my machine (to make the new drive a
> primary slave) seems to fit both ways round. Is this correct? 2)Now I
> discover I don't have a spare power supply. If my new drive is connected
> to the same ribbon as my C:\ drive, do I need a separate power supply?
> And is it easy to install one? 3)When I connected it up and attached
> the power supply from a DVD drive that is no longer working, I got the
> message "ATAPI Incompatible" and everything shut down. What is this? Is
> it because I should not be using the power supply from the old DVD
> drive, or does it mean my new drive just will not go in my machine, or
> do I have to mess with jumper settings etc. 4)When connected the other
> way round I got a message Windows needed to be shut down as a Protection
> error. Would anyone be kind enough to tell me where I am going wrong, or
> have I ignorantly just bought a drive I shouldn't?? My machine is a 5yr
> old Tiny 660mhz with a Microstar 6183 motherboard. Many TIA.

On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 11:41:21 +0100, Molly <mollys@dsl.pipex.com>
wrote:

>Would SMART see my drive as having a (potential) error *because* it is
>NTFS formatted and the system is running Win98SE, or does it mean that
>regardless of that fact, the disk is (or could shortly be) faulty??
>
SMART looks at the drive behavior and does not care whether it is FAT,
HTFS or other file management system. So it may be that you have a
drive with a developing problem.

"Ben Myers" <benjmyers@mindR-E-M-O-V-Espring.com> wrote in message
news:9ipIe.767$RZ2.312@newsread3.news.atl.earthlin k.net...
Download and run Powermax. It will create a bootable floppy for
diagnosing problems with the drive.

http://downloads.maxtor.com/_files/m...s/powermax.exe

Ben

"Molly" <mollys@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:42f077be$0$345$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com.. .
> Hi, Further to my previous questions about installing Win XP on a D:\
> Drive, I have bought a 2nd hand drive from Ebay (which looks fine). My
> present C:\ drive is IDE and the new one is a Maxtor 40Gb (Fireball 3
> ATA/133) which the advert said is also IDE. However, I have a few
> problems. 1) The spare connector on my machine (to make the new drive a
> primary slave) seems to fit both ways round. Is this correct? 2)Now I
> discover I don't have a spare power supply. If my new drive is connected
> to the same ribbon as my C:\ drive, do I need a separate power supply?
> And is it easy to install one? 3)When I connected it up and attached
> the power supply from a DVD drive that is no longer working, I got the
> message "ATAPI Incompatible" and everything shut down. What is this? Is
> it because I should not be using the power supply from the old DVD
> drive, or does it mean my new drive just will not go in my machine, or
> do I have to mess with jumper settings etc. 4)When connected the other
> way round I got a message Windows needed to be shut down as a Protection
> error. Would anyone be kind enough to tell me where I am going wrong, or
> have I ignorantly just bought a drive I shouldn't?? My machine is a 5yr
> old Tiny 660mhz with a Microstar 6183 motherboard. Many TIA.

To install WinXP, just boot from the CD, Install to the second drive.
Delet any partitions on new drive and create new partition and format as
NTFS if not need to access from Win98. If install unable to work with new
drive, will confirm SMART report. I think you have a duff drive. If you
download manufacturer's diagnostic it will test the new drive.
Mike.

Molly wrote:
> Would SMART see my drive as having a (potential) error *because* it is
> NTFS formatted and the system is running Win98SE, or does it mean that
> regardless of that fact, the disk is (or could shortly be) faulty??
>
> Grim wrote:
>
>> Molly wrote:
>>
>>> Shep - Thanks for your help. Actually, I don't have a burner at
>>> present - that is the defunct drive whose power input I have taken
>>> for the new HD! But I am glad the problem is resolvable. Is there
>>> another method of obtaining this file, like a straight download that
>>> means I do not need a burner? What exactly does this file do -
>>> somehow enable Win98 (SE) to see the new HD, or take away the
>>> necessity? As regards boot up, Yes the new drive is reported when
>>> the screen is paused and is the same as the CMOS setup. It is when,
>>> as you say, the OS kicks in, that S.M.A.R.T. (what is this??) reports
>>> the status "Bad", and suggests replacing. Just one final thing - the
>>> reason I got the new HD is because I wanted to install WinXP on the
>>> system, and my 17GB old C: drive is nearly full. So I was going to
>>> put XP on the D: drive (new one). I suppose it is therefore obvious
>>> (?) that I can't do this under Win98SE while it has the NTFS file
>>> system, but neither could I re-format it while I can't see it.
>>> There's a lot to learn!! Your continued help is very much
>>> appreciated - for one it has prevented me from giving the guy I
>>> bought it off too hard a time. Thanks again.
>>>
>>> Shep© wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 22:25:56 +0100 As Androids Dreamed Of Electric
>>>> Sheep and then Molly <mollys@dsl.pipex.com> wrote :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I read your page and found much of help. However I'm still in the
>>>>> dark. My system supports UDMA66 and is an ATA66 interface. The old
>>>>> drive is 17Gb IDE internal. My new drive is 40Gb, ATA133 IDE
>>>>> internal. It has been (apparently) formatted with an NTFS
>>>>> partition, and tested before sale. This seems to me to be
>>>>> compatible and should be recognised when fired up. However, even
>>>>> though my CMOS reports it correctly as primary slave and right size
>>>>> etc, I keep getting "S.M.A.R.T. Status: BAD" on boot up, and no
>>>>> recognition in Explorer.exe. I am sure jumpers are correct, all
>>>>> connected OK, and even though I went through your page and some
>>>>> links I still can't see any other answer than that I've bought a
>>>>> dud! Is there something obvious I'm missing?? Thanks again.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes.Win98 does not support the NTFS file system.
>>>> No biggy.
>>>> I take it you have a CDR/W burner?
>>>> If so download and burn this .ISO,
>>>> http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/bootd.zip
>>>> See the help files of your burning software on how to burn an .ISO
>>>> image.
>>>> It's a special customized Win98 boot floppy as a CD disk.
>>>>
>>>> But before I go further I'll just explain something else.There are
>>>> basically 2 stages when you boot up your PC.The 1st stage is the
>>>> mother board checking and seeing the hardware,then there's the
>>>> operating system that gets loaded.
>>>>
>>>> The mother board may see the hardware but then the O/S may not.
>>>>
>>>> When you boot up you can pause the startup screens using
>>>> you,"Keyboard" Pause key.
>>>>
>>>> Is the new hard drive you have bought being reported on any of these
>>>> screens?
>>>>
>>>> (Press the Enter key to un-pause and the pause key again to stop).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> S.M.A.R.T. stands for Self-Monitoring Analysis and Reporting
>> Technology. S.M.A.R.T. technology was developed by a number of major
>> hard disk drive manufacturers in a concerted effort to increase the
>> reliability of drives. It is a technology that enables the PC to
>> predict the future failure of hard disk drives. S.M.A.R.T. technology
>> has become an industry standard for hard drive manufacturers.
>>
>> Through the S.M.A.R.T. system, modern hard disk drives incorporate a
>> suite of advanced diagnostics that monitor the internal operations of
>> a drive and provide an early warning for many types of potential
>> problems. When a potential problem is detected, the drive can be
>> repaired or replaced before any data is lost or damaged.
>>
>> The S.M.A.R.T. system monitors the drive for anything that might seem
>> out of the ordinary, documents it, and analyzes the data. If it sees
>> something that indicates a problem, it is capable of notifying the
>> user (or system administrator). S.M.A.R.T. monitors disk performance,
>> faulty sectors, recalibration, CRC errors, drive spin-up time, drive
>> heads, distance between the heads and the disk platters, drive
>> temperature, and characteristics of the media, motor and
>> servomechanisms. The errors the system can detect can be predicted by
>> a number of methods. Currently the SMART system can detect about 70%
>> of all hard drive errors.
>>
>> Here's an example: motor and/or bearing failure can be predicted by an
>> increase in the drive spin-up time and the number of retries it takes
>> to get the drive spinning at full speed. Or, if the drive notes that
>> error correction is being needed excessively, it can attribute this to
>> a broken drive head or surface contamination, and it will create an
>> alert before the problem gets worse. Armed with a prediction of
>> failure, the user or system administrator can make a backup copy of
>> key data, replace a suspect device prior to data loss, and avoid
>> undesired downtime.
>>
>> Grim

S.M.A.R.T. is a function of the BIOS which controls the basic hardware
functions of the computer. This is independant of ANY operating system
or its file system (NTFS is a file system of WindowsNT/2000/XP). If
S.M.A.R.T. reports a failure or impending failure then you have bad
hardware. It will be bad no matter what file system it has installed.
The drive itself is failing or has failed.

Grim